CoolToHate, on 26 June 2009 - 08:42 PM, said:
Replying to Ron Paul
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Gibby
Posted 27 June 2009 - 03:40 AM
Uk should be purple, abortion is supported fully. Women's right to choose. One of the great reasons I'm proud of the Uk is that the women has a right to choose, she can abort regardless of the parent's knowledge and live a comfortable life.
Steve
Posted 26 June 2009 - 09:13 PM
Ron Laul
Amirite?
Amirite?
CoolToHate
Posted 26 June 2009 - 08:42 PM
Uk should be purple, abortion is supported fully. Women's right to choose. One of the great reasons I'm proud of the Uk is that the women has a right to choose, she can abort regardless of the parent's knowledge and live a comfortable life.
Fightin_da_Man
Posted 26 June 2009 - 01:38 PM
gimmedeath, on 26 June 2009 - 02:36 AM, said:
Ok, concerning DOMA: I know it's confusing because it simply looks like a "gay" issue, but it's not to someone like Ron Paul. It's about the Federal Government obtaining more power over the personal lives of individuals.
Ron Paul does not think in collectivist terms, he thinks of each person as an individual - NOT as a member of a GROUP.
Ron Paul does not think in collectivist terms, he thinks of each person as an individual - NOT as a member of a GROUP.
I disagree. If Ron Paul thought purely in individual terms, then he would not support "states rights." Clearly though, he thinks that "states" (as collectives) have certain rights vis-a-vis the Federal government (and vis-a-vis minority...
gimmedeath
Posted 26 June 2009 - 02:36 AM
Fightin_da_Man, on 23 June 2009 - 02:33 PM, said:
Ok, I think I see the problem on your end. You just aren't familiar with what I'm talking about.
DOMA stands for the Defense of Marriage Act. It was signed into law by President Clinton. The Act does two things: 1) it says that states do not need to recognize any same-sex relationships as "marriage" even if they are so recognized in other states (so homosexuals married in Massachusetts do not need to be treated as married by any other state); and 2) that the federal government, for its own purposes, defines marriages as between a man and a woman. According to the website I cited, Pa...
DOMA stands for the Defense of Marriage Act. It was signed into law by President Clinton. The Act does two things: 1) it says that states do not need to recognize any same-sex relationships as "marriage" even if they are so recognized in other states (so homosexuals married in Massachusetts do not need to be treated as married by any other state); and 2) that the federal government, for its own purposes, defines marriages as between a man and a woman. According to the website I cited, Pa...
SertraOD
Posted 23 June 2009 - 04:39 PM
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James
Posted 23 June 2009 - 03:49 PM
gimmedeath, on 23 June 2009 - 01:28 PM, said:
Do you guys realize what "leaving it up to the states" means?
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But even so, in my opinion abortion isn't as simple as that - hence all the debate and division. It's about life. There's a question of whether you are killing something or not. I mean, does that not make since?
Fightin_da_Man
Posted 23 June 2009 - 02:33 PM
gimmedeath, on 23 June 2009 - 02:10 PM, said:
Ok I can understand where you're coming from now and it was never my intention to "dodge" you. If you really want to debate this I will. I ask that you give me time though, to gather facts, statements, votes by Ron Paul on some of those issues. (I have to go to work soon) We can take gay marriage if you want.
What I'm trying to say is that you're taking the titles of those votes and/or bills at face value rather than reading into why he stood the way he did. He doesn't think it's constitutional, for instance, for the federal government to be defining marriage and things like that. Not because he doesn't want gay...
What I'm trying to say is that you're taking the titles of those votes and/or bills at face value rather than reading into why he stood the way he did. He doesn't think it's constitutional, for instance, for the federal government to be defining marriage and things like that. Not because he doesn't want gay...
gimmedeath
Posted 23 June 2009 - 02:10 PM
Fightin_da_Man, on 23 June 2009 - 01:30 PM, said:
Why are you dodging me? Are you scared? You're ignoring my arguments.
You say that I've mistaken him for a homophobic pro-lifer. If that's not the case, explain his support of DOMA. Explain his vote to ban adoptions by gays. Explain his support for defining life as beginning at conception at the federal level.
These things seem to be completely at odds with a libertarian, a states-rights supporter, etc. If you think that they aren't, then I'd appreciate it if you would explain to me how, because I honestly don't see how voting to ban gay ad...
You say that I've mistaken him for a homophobic pro-lifer. If that's not the case, explain his support of DOMA. Explain his vote to ban adoptions by gays. Explain his support for defining life as beginning at conception at the federal level.
These things seem to be completely at odds with a libertarian, a states-rights supporter, etc. If you think that they aren't, then I'd appreciate it if you would explain to me how, because I honestly don't see how voting to ban gay ad...
Fightin_da_Man
Posted 23 June 2009 - 01:30 PM
gimmedeath, on 23 June 2009 - 01:15 PM, said:
Yes obviously you are an anarchist, so there's basically no point in having this conversation with you. There's nothing I can say that would matter because you have no hope in fixing things as they stand.
I on the other hand think we can take back our country by supporting good people in government, the ones that don't want to tyrannically take over everything. As a starting point at least.
You can't get passed the little things and look at the bigger picture. Everyone has flaws and no one is perfect. There will never be a politician who is just like you and supports everything you believe in. And I'm sure that...
I on the other hand think we can take back our country by supporting good people in government, the ones that don't want to tyrannically take over everything. As a starting point at least.
You can't get passed the little things and look at the bigger picture. Everyone has flaws and no one is perfect. There will never be a politician who is just like you and supports everything you believe in. And I'm sure that...



