Replying to dog walk gone bad
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Alex
Posted 10 December 2009 - 01:01 AM
Punk Rock Geek, on 09 December 2009 - 07:58 PM, said:
This is not what I asked for. Your statement was that:
"this whole of idea of imprisoning people clearly doesn't work. it creates a breeding ground for criminals and does nothing to change their behavior"
I could give you all types of rehabilitation methods with less than positive results, but it would say nothing about the effectiveness of rehabilitation as a whole. Yes, the prison system needs to be reformed significantly. But a murderer who has deep mental/emotional issues should not be allowed to walk around unrestricted, under any circumstances. The reasons for this are obvious,...
"this whole of idea of imprisoning people clearly doesn't work. it creates a breeding ground for criminals and does nothing to change their behavior"
I could give you all types of rehabilitation methods with less than positive results, but it would say nothing about the effectiveness of rehabilitation as a whole. Yes, the prison system needs to be reformed significantly. But a murderer who has deep mental/emotional issues should not be allowed to walk around unrestricted, under any circumstances. The reasons for this are obvious,...
Punk Rock Geek
Posted 09 December 2009 - 07:58 PM
Alex, on 09 December 2009 - 05:32 PM, said:
just one i found quickly im sure they are more stats to back this up
http://www.ojp.usdoj.../recidivism.htm
http://www.ojp.usdoj.../recidivism.htm
"this whole of idea of imprisoning people clearly doesn't work. it creates a breeding ground for criminals and does nothing to change their behavior"
I could give you all types of rehabilitation methods with less than positive results, but it would say nothing about the effectiveness of rehabilitation as a whole. ...
Steve
Posted 09 December 2009 - 06:28 PM
RancidPunk, on 09 December 2009 - 06:16 PM, said:
I was just pointing out how my feelings on animal abuse are related to your feelings on criminal rehabilitation. Instead of making light of animal abuse, look at it and how it is related to the person in general.
This is what we have been saying the entire time you fucking dork. Jesus Christ you're such a misanthrope it's not even funny. You want to look at the causes of people being cruel to animals, but you just want to lock up every person that murders or rapes without looking at it?
No one has made light of animal abuse, and all of us have said that animal abuse is "wrong...
Fightin_da_Man
Posted 09 December 2009 - 06:20 PM
RancidPunk, on 09 December 2009 - 06:16 PM, said:
I was just pointing out how my feelings on animal abuse are related to your feelings on criminal rehabilitation. Instead of making light of animal abuse, look at it and how it is related to the person in general.
Sounds to me like you're trying to defend an animal abuser.
Or are you suggesting that we try to rehabilitate him after we throw him off a bridge?
RancidPunk
Posted 09 December 2009 - 06:16 PM
Fightin_da_Man, on 09 December 2009 - 06:06 PM, said:
When did you switch sides in this debate?
Fightin_da_Man
Posted 09 December 2009 - 06:06 PM
RancidPunk, on 09 December 2009 - 06:01 PM, said:
No, we shouldn't do that. But if you want to know why people commit crimes and attempt to rehabilitate them, this would be the perfect place to start. Whenever someone abuses and tortures animals, that would be the time to get involved. Maybe you could 'save them' from becoming the next Dahmer.
When did you switch sides in this debate?
James
Posted 09 December 2009 - 06:03 PM
Skaz, on 09 December 2009 - 05:58 PM, said:
He didn't say he wants to destroy him, just that he should be punished for his crime. The law at present is woefully inadequate at punishing people who are cruel to animals. I think a combination of punishment (a fine and maybe some community service) as well as councelling would be appropriate for that case.
