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[Marxist_Bastard]

Bin Laden employed the use of terrorist methods, including mass terrorist methods which caused devastating slaughter and misery for ordinary working people. Yet US imperialism and other imperialist powers by employing these methods are also pursuing a policy of state terror and are adopting a policy which is a mirror image of what they denounce Bin Laden for.

[John]

We killed the monster we created. Doesn't mean it isn't a good thing the monster is dead though.

[YQS]

I'm SUPER surprised that he was supposedly hiding in Abbottabad for such a long time. I lived there for around 7 years, went to school there, and have a house there. It's a military-ish city, has a bunch military schools and hosts the PMA (the news says that's equivalent to Sandhurst in England, but I dunno much about Sandhurst). Plus it's famous for education and tourism, and is a very pretty place.

His hideout was supposedly in Bilal Town which is right infront of the PMA. RIGHT INFRONT OF IT. Hell, I had to go through a bunch of checkpoints just to drive through there, it's a high security military area... and it's also upper-class. Houses retired officers, engineers, and doctors... I'm having trouble believing he was in there for so long and no one noticed...

And no, there are no seas near the place. Abbottabad is a valley in the Himalayan foothills...

[2to9]

I'm glad he's dead but I think the only thing this will change is that Al-Qaeda will be more mad at us than usual and will have excuses to attack us. Also they will still be able to function just fine without him because they are not a centralized group anymore. They have people with the same beliefs all over the world.

[Black Cat]

German chancellor Merkel is getting shit among others from people of her own party for her public statement, that she was "glad" about the achievement of the killing of Bin Laden. Apart from the fact, that the way she worded it the statement rather can be understood as "I appreciate it" than as "I'm fucking glad and do the happy dance", I always love it, when they fight against eachother. Her party is the Christian Democratic Union and the critique is mostly based on how inappropriate it is for a Christian to express joy about the death of a human being.

Most hilarious as always the critique of the stupidest secretary of foreign affairs Germany ever had, Guido Westerwelle: He reminded her to show more respect for Islam. Oh well.


Anyway, the U.S. government changed the statement about the details of how Bin Laden had been killed. First they said, he was armed, now they admitted he wasn't.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...h-asia-13276540

[Adelka]

I really don´t get why people are so sure that he is not dead. Why would they tell us then? I mean...maybe he hasn´t died in the exact way they say, but...if he was still alive why would they create this big thing out of it. However, it is a bit weird with the burial I think.
Anyway...personally I am not exactly happy he´s dead. Firstly, it´s not good to be happy because someone has died, and secondly I am far from believing that the world is now a "safer place". As Al-Qaeda must be raging. And what I don´t understand AT ALL is the celebrating people in American streets. wtf? How many times can you shout "USA" until someone tells you to shut up?

[Punk Rock Geek]

Adelka, on 05 May 2011 - 11:49 AM, said:

I really don´t get why people are so sure that he is not dead. Why would they tell us then? I mean...maybe he hasn´t died in the exact way they say, but...if he was still alive why would they create this big thing out of it. However, it is a bit weird with the burial I think.
Anyway...personally I am not exactly happy he´s dead. Firstly, it´s not good to be happy because someone has died, and secondly I am far from believing that the world is now a "safer place". As Al-Qaeda must be raging. And what I don´t understand AT ALL is the celebrating people in American streets. wtf? How many times can you shout "USA" until someone tells you to shut up?

Al Qaeda has acknowledged his death, so that's the end of that conspiracy.

http://news.yahoo.co..._laden_al_qaida

And as you speculated, they're not happy.

[John]

Is it really that awful to be a little happy? The fact that the Bush regime committed numerous evils and that Obama has done little to seek justice for it and continued in some of the atrocities, it really doesn't negate the fact that radical Islam is still a negative force in the world, Bin Laden's existence was not helping anyone, and killing a religious fanatic leader at least means there is one less motherfucker out there, even if it doesn't make us any safer.

[Skaz]

[Jordan]

This is fucked. I mean, he may have been responsible for the death of thousands, but what about the middle-eastern civilians that the allies have murdered? You don't see people marching into wherever Bush is now and ripping his throat out? Imagine if someone invaded the US claiming you have nuclear weapons(which it does ) but really using that as an excuse to steal your oil, you'd be pretty pissed off too, You'd be burning for revenge! Osama should've AT LEAST had a fair trial! That wouldn't happen though, because that's more than likely going to expose Bush as the REAL terrorist!

[Punk Rock Geek]

John, on 06 May 2011 - 07:56 PM, said:

Is it really that awful to be a little happy? The fact that the Bush regime committed numerous evils and that Obama has done little to seek justice for it and continued in some of the atrocities, it really doesn't negate the fact that radical Islam is still a negative force in the world, Bin Laden's existence was not helping anyone, and killing a religious fanatic leader at least means there is one less motherfucker out there, even if it doesn't make us any safer.

Supposing it doesn't make us safer, and in fact acts to do the opposite, what reason is there to celebrate?

[Punk Rock Geek]

Jordan, on 07 May 2011 - 06:57 AM, said:

This is fucked. I mean, he may have been responsible for the death of thousands, but what about the middle-eastern civilians that the allies have murdered? You don't see people marching into wherever Bush is now and ripping his throat out? Imagine if someone invaded the US claiming you have nuclear weapons(which it does ) but really using that as an excuse to steal your oil, you'd be pretty pissed off too, You'd be burning for revenge! Osama should've AT LEAST had a fair trial! That wouldn't happen though, because that's more than likely going to expose Bush as the REAL terrorist!

That sounds similar to an excerpt from a Chomsky article I read today:

We might ask ourselves how we would be reacting if Iraqi commandos landed at George W. Bush’s compound, assassinated him, and dumped his body in the Atlantic. Uncontroversially, his crimes vastly exceed bin Laden’s, and he is not a “suspect” but uncontroversially the “decider” who gave the orders to commit the “supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole” (quoting the Nuremberg Tribunal) for which Nazi criminals were hanged: the hundreds of thousands of deaths, millions of refugees, destruction of much of the country, the bitter sectarian conflict that has now spread to the rest of the region.

[All Dead]

WeAreTheLost, on 02 May 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

A man who kills a man is condemned to be a murderer, but if that man is wearing a uniform and kills in the name of war, he is considered a hero..

Bro, that's like, really deep, 'n' stuff.