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I can admit ignorance on things I am ignorant about. I don't understand quantum physics, or much advanced math. I have no clue about engineering, or botany, and I am not proficient in any language besides English. There are quite a lot of things I concede that I don't know. Though I am well read in psychology and sociology, have done very much research and learning in those fields in and out of school, and that gives me a somewhat decent platform commenting on homosexuality. Not to mention I personally know many gay people, and I take it at face value when they say "I've always been this way."
I was roommates with a gay man... he's my best friend. I'm attracted to some men. I likey the cock myself.
You are not well-read at all. You've simply taken on a personality and a series of easy-to-argue points that are common amongst internet pseudo-intellectuals. This is coming from me, yeah? I was one of the best at doing what you're attempting to do right now. I know how full of shit it is more than anybody. That is, until I started using the internet to find fringe data and applied it to my own life. It wasn't until then that I realized that, although science as a study itself is a wonderful thing, the scientific data available to us is politicized, biased, and misrepresented by the public (such as you).
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You earlier stated that one's genetics can pre-dispose them to being environmentally affected in certain ways. But you also stated that if homosexuality were genetic, it would have died off from homosexuals not spreading their genes. So the genes that would allow environmental factors to influence homosexuals would still have died off. And if it were purely environmental, you'd need a factor to point to.
LOL if homosexuality only manifests sometimes, that means the ones that don't manifest as gay still pass the gene on... so no, it would not have died off. You realize you just made a 100% illogical argument, correct? Wow.
Not to mention, homosexuality also has a lot to do with hormone levels in the womb. Like genetics, this only predisposes.
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So let me restate: homosexuality occurs in every region of the world. It occurs in every single culture. It occurs in the most polluted places and cleanest places. It occurs in the most malnourished people and the most well fed people. It occurs with good parents and abusive parents. It occurs with married parents and single parents. Things that occur universally by definition are not environmental. If they were originally environmental, it is now just a part of the whole human evolution, and is not environmental now.
If they were originally environmental? Now it's genetic? That doesn't even make sense. How does learned behavior turn genetic?
And yes, it occurs everywhere (to the same degree? I honestly don't know this). Individual environmental factors are also universal... you're not making any sense at all. You see? The instant your forced to respond with your own arguments to what I'm saying in specific, you get completely illogical. Proving my point further that you just regurgitate things you've heard.
There are more transexuals per capita in Thailand...
So ha.
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And yes, I am just a shill for the pharmaceuticals. I totally don't support mandating lower prices, and definitely aren't for forcing releases of patents that can help people, and am way against replacing treatments with cures whenever possible. Because that is just how absolutely capitalist I am.
That was an example... to show you the logic...
Wow...
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The fact that the health care industry are predatory extortionists in this country really doesn't change the fact that modern medicine has increased our life spans astoundingly. People have been living significantly longer decade after decade, it is a solid fucking trend. But you have to be the opposition, you have to go against the grain for the sake of doing it, and you endorse dubious solutions in forms of holistic medicine. Like all those people who thought the MMR vaccine caused autism? And they thought they could cure autism in their children through a nutrition plan? And how they have been completely discredited, and how the doctor who started it was indicted for fraud?
Autism is a neurological variation... that's permanent. But yeah it is improved with a gluten-free diet, like lots of things are.
In terms of lifestyle disease, lethargy, depression, etc we are pretty fucking bad. I support modern medicine, but I support preventative and natural therapies as a first measure. Ayuverdic and Chinese medicine, although not all remedies do work, have a history of noted medical benefit. More and more each year new scientific information comes out giving credence to many remedies benefit.
Personally, I've used turmeric as an anti-inflammatory. It's actually noted by patients with my condition that it's the most effective remedy, beyond dietary changes, available. More effective than anti-biotics in reducing inflammation. There is scientific data proving this.
And the healthiest population on the planet are the people of the Himalayas who eat a primitive diet and drink glacier water (small water molecule clusters, the water is alkaline, thus it is more hydrating, better at bringing nutrition in to the tissues/cells, and better at taking waste out). These are the same people that Weston Price found to have healthier teeth than Americans despite not brushing and never seeing a dentist (because the teeth had their full strength and were not susceptible to bacteria and rotting). Even the Japanese focus on nutrition and disease prevention via natural foods and not supplementation. They even use water ionization machines as a medical device, using it for cancer patients and a number of other conditions. Here, I'll even link you to a page that debunks water ionization:
http://www.chem1.com/CQ/ionbunk.html
Like you, this website misuses scientific data. First of all, they argue a strawman by claiming that you can't ionize pure water, thus water ionizers are a scam. This is idiotic because water ionizers do not ionize water molecules, they ionize minerals in the water. Water ionizers don't work on pure water, but only mineral water. They also use a lot of demeaning language like you do towards me. Trash talking holistic medicinal approaches (such as using the highest quality drinking water, or using ayuverdic/chinese treatments, or using all natural nutritional therapy through whole foods). Water ionizers also break apart molecule clusters and alkalize the water. This allows the clusters to penetrate cell walls/tissue (yes, it replicates the high quality water of the Himalayans and other similar natural healing waters that have been famous throughout history, and were often called myths, turns out it's scientifically valid). Alkaline water is good because most of our food today is acidic. When we take in acidic substances our body draws minerals from our muscles, bones, brain, everything to neutralize the acidity, causing disease and degeneration. This is the logic for the raw food diet for all natural healing; yes, it actually fucking works if people do it. The first time I got symptom free was after a raw food fast. I weigh 195 of KICK YOUR DWEEBY ASS. My dermatologist personally told me "just because there's no data on the efficacy of diet upon your disease, doesn't mean it's not true". He then sent me away telling me to keep doing what I was doing as it was obviously working and he had never seen anybody actually heal this far. Most people get worse and worse from this disease. I get better and better, using the natural remedies pseudo-intellectuals like you dismiss as nonsense.
But that chem1 site sounds oh so scientific, doesn't it? Nope, just strawmans and misrepresentations of scientific data. Just like you. People refusing to see data in new ways. People refusing to accept new data. People refusing to accept anything that has yet to be scientifically validated, even if it has been proven to some degree in a million other ways. You're SO much more close-minded than you think, young padawan.
You want to sit on your keyboard and pretend like we're equals, but we're not. You're a meek nobody without a single original thought to call your own. I live on the cutting edge with information few people know about and actually put it in to practice. I'm on the way to becoming a serious motherfucking expert in health (no joke). I'm well versed in MULTIPLE high level subjects, far beyond you, even when I was your age. I am physically superior, mentally superior, spiritually superior (and that's not new age bullshit--you're just inexperienced and draw all your opinions from the internet). But it's ok, John. You can be like me too. If you will open up your ears and listen. That's what I had to do. I didn't go on forums and argue against the natural healing people. I listened to them. Every single one of them. I never made a single post in opposition. I listened. I learned. I was humble. And that's why I am me today, and you are still you... and no matter how much you argue, you are not on my level yet so it really doesn't matter. But the potential is there, John. But you will have to give up your life of false luxuries created in an energy bubble. You will have to give up your idea of what atheism is. You will have to reconnect with what makes you human (humans are naturally designed to be spiritual--to not be this is objectively unhealthy). Ever hear of the pineal gland?
"Indicted for fraud" means little to me. Money runs the world... but he may have been wrong and he may have been a fraud. I'd have to see the data for myself to draw any conclusions. What you've told me is a story... that does no good LOL.
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You are now attacking me because the science is in my corner.
No it's not. You're misusing scientific data and coming to hasty conclusions based on political affiliation. That's not "the science is in my corner". What a gross oversimplification. Further demonstrating your fetish of science... and you're complete lack of understanding of it.
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And what does science have that your ideas don't have? RESULTS. Look at the fucking statistics, we have reached the highest life spans ever seen since the dawn of modern medicine. Not only has the medicine benefited us, our food has benefited us. It is not easy for a person in a non-industrialized region to get full nutritional balance, though usually their bodies adapt to the conditions anyway through generations. But because of technology, we can mass produce food, and we can make any type we need. We can make any supplements we need. You want to pay attention to all the junk circulating through the system, and there sure as hell is a lot, and many types of foods mass manufactured are detrimental. But guess what, having a grocery store full of all the healthy things you need, and a mountain of junk food, is better than only having half of the healthy things you need and nothing else.
Says you... why would I listen to you glorify modern health? Look at you. Look at Americans. The healthiest people are people who eat free range meat or fish, vegetables, and fruit. That's all you need for a complete nutritional balance and that can be accomplished by tiny farming societies. These people are also the most resilient to disease. Combine this with modern medicine for treating injury/bacterial/viral diseases, and you have the absolute healthiest people.
You can hook up a person who can't breathe on their own to a machine and keep them alive til' they're 100... doesn't mean those statistics mean anything. Once again, you draw your entire knowledge base from the internet and have no idea what that actually means. It's sad dude. Go outside.
Supplements are only a tiny fraction as effective as nutrition from whole food sources...
I can't even get non-contaminated animal products unless I get it directly from a farmer. Even the organic shit is grain-fed, which causes an imbalance of fatty acids... which leads to mental disease (bipolar, depression, schizophrenia). The closest thing I get is Salmon, and that has fucking mercury in it.
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When we were debating peak oil, you called me a "techno-fetishist" or something, and guess what, I embrace the label. Progress is the nature of evolution. And if we evolve to a point where we can accelerate our own evolution by influencing the world around us and producing what we need, slowly fixing deficiencies, then that is a good thing to do.
Dude... you're deficient yourself. You are malnourished. I promise.
Embrace it all you want. What are you worth, really? What have you accomplished other than regurgitating the left-wing status quo of the internet? You are not a radical. You are not a free mind. You just think you are compared to the idiots who live around you.
There is no feasible energy source that can sustain our economy or population. To restructure our energy infrastructure on an energy/economic decline is not only monumental, it's likely to be impossible. You are nothing without your computer. The evolution of human civilization has not been on a steady increase since the dawn of it...
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Point being, get off the ridiculous fucking New Age shit. You're obviously not stupid by a longshot. But you are like someone who realizes god isn't real, and then embraces some exotic form of a rare sect of Buddhism because you still want the world to be special. And on the subject of how this topic started in the first place, if Kristy is asexual or not, it sure won't change by what she eats or what pills she does or doesn't take.
What? You can't even argue the new age shit. You just refer to it in demeaning terms. You don't even attempt to understand what I'm saying! LOL
You're getting steadily pwned and you act like you're winning by saying ridiculous things like "the science is on my side". No... you just have hoards of accessible information and interpret that as truth. You have no idea how information works, do you? Not at all... not at all. If the science is on your side, you could absolutely disprove what I'm saying. But you can't. You just have data that proves one aspect of sexual orientation. From that data alone, either one of us could be right. Lack of data!=lack of truth. Sometimes the scientific method cannot be applied if the nature of something is too complex and involves too many overlapping factors. That's why there are things like the philosophy of science. And if you champion science so much, why aren't you posting from a skeptical, could be wrong at anytime point of view? No, you treat scientific data like dogma...
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I see no reason to stop. And no, I won't declare victory if you walk away because just like me, you can reply to anything if you want to. I'd prefer we keep going nonetheless.
I wouldn't... because it's a waste of time and you don't know what you're talking about.
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SertraOD, on 23 March 2011 - 12:26 AM, said:
