27 replies to this topic

[tiredoflies]

I'm tryna think of why we need prisons.

Any opposition here?

[Loki]

I'll try to remember to elaborate tomorrow when I'm not half asleep, but from what I've read in criminology/sociology/psychology courses I've taken certain strains of serial killers are very unlikely to respond to any rehabilitation efforts.

[The Real Nick]

I dont think prison's should exist, neither should labor camps (which I find more repulsive)
I believe in exile though. Which in itself is prison, but of a different color.

[John]

I think they may be needed for the compulsively violent, and that's all.

Though since we have many anarchist/communist revolutionaries here, I would ask how you'd deal with the inevitable strain of society that would refuse to accept the revolution and would actively fight against it to their last breath. Imprisonment? Execution?

[The Real Nick]

John, on 21 December 2010 - 01:17 AM, said:

I think they may be needed for the compulsively violent, and that's all.

Though since we have many anarchist/communist revolutionaries here, I would ask how you'd deal with the inevitable strain of society that would refuse to accept the revolution and would actively fight against it to their last breath. Imprisonment? Execution?

I think you should kill people who dont like the way you think.
Religious fundamentalists got it right.

[Goatseboy]

Education within prison systems should be more prioritised, rehabilitation begins when you actually have options other than to commit crime. As for those who are extremely resilient to being rehabilitated, solitary confinement sounds kosher. From a revolutionary perspective going with John's moral tricky doo-dah, assuming that this revolution is perfect and we don't have any dictatey psuedo-facist cult of personality shite going on, you lock them up and if they break out you shoot them. Violence should never be the answer unless you've got no other options

[Renan]

My opinion: To abolish the prison before we need to make a true communist revolution, thus eliminating one of the main types of crimes such as theft (something that would become meaningless jack everyone would own the means of production and resources)

These communities need to develop some means of dealing with people who harm others. Instead of many thousands of polices, we would protect each other.

Regarding the murder, most murders are crimes of passion, and therefore neither the police nor anyone else can prevent. However, that in a saner and much less frustrating society, I hope that there aren´t so many crimes like this.

[The Real Nick]

I think anybody who thinks prison could ever be rehabilitating is fucking mad.
You've obviously never been.
It is litterally the least productive place you could ever be.
The only productive thing to do is read (Most people would rather not do this because it is virtually pointless if you don't find it entertaining)
People more or less sit around working out in their cells, or trying to think of "genius" ways to pull one over on CO's.
Most people just sit and rot, all your days seem to blend and it feels like weeks are months going by, but after all is said and done a year feels like a 2 month span because you do the same thing over and over for weeks at a time.
I hate when people try to make it seem anything less than punishment because that's all it is.
A loss of time spend eating less than 1 star cuisine, the coldest of showers, and sleep unfit for a dog followed by an indefinate hiatus of that nice feeling of security.
So for anyone to feel rehabilitated after a stay in that hotel is unheard of.
Only people who are scared shitless of the place get too scared to reoffend, all others continue their "life of crime" because let's face it, nobody wants to work the drive-thru till the end of days.

[Punk Rock Geek]

The Real Nick, on 21 December 2010 - 07:50 PM, said:

I think anybody who thinks prison could ever be rehabilitating is fucking mad.
You've obviously never been.
It is litterally the least productive place you could ever be.
The only productive thing to do is read (Most people would rather not do this because it is virtually pointless if you don't find it entertaining)
People more or less sit around working out in their cells, or trying to think of "genius" ways to pull one over on CO's.
Most people just sit and rot, all your days seem to blend and it feels like weeks are months going by, but after all is said and done a year feels like a 2 month span because you do the same thing over and over for weeks at a time.
I hate when people try to make it seem anything less than punishment because that's all it is.
A loss of time spend eating less than 1 star cuisine, the coldest of showers, and sleep unfit for a dog followed by an indefinate hiatus of that nice feeling of security.
So for anyone to feel rehabilitated after a stay in that hotel is unheard of.
Only people who are scared shitless of the place get too scared to reoffend, all others continue their "life of crime" because let's face it, nobody wants to work the drive-thru till the end of days.

You've been to prison, Nick?

[All Dead]

[TheGrimReaper]

Well, I know I'm gonna get bad rep, and get insulted for this, but I voted yes.

In my opinion, the world would be much more violent without prisons.

I mean, come on, say someone's killed your brother, now he's after you. If they can convict him of murder in time, or find out he's after you, they'll put him in prison, and he won't kill you. Therefore, one life, or so, is saved from the violence that one man could have done. And he's punished for what he did. He deserves it.

If it wasn't for Prison, they guy would have killed you, and never been punished for either deaths.
And possibly move on to killing someone else. Maybe another family member? Maybe someone else? Who knows. But there's no way it could have been prevented cause the prison's were gone.
Unless someone would have been brave enough to go after the guy and kill him before he killed you. Or if you would have done it yourself.

[Loki]

Punk Rock Geek, on 22 December 2010 - 10:02 PM, said:

You've been to prison, Nick?

NICKxSUTTON, on 29 June 2009 - 06:08 PM, said:

i went to juvie before but not for this i went to onieda county jail. jail was in ways alot better than juvie because in jail most people were looking forward to getting out. but when i was 14-15 i went to the william george agency, berkshire farms, and a shitload of NSD's. and i hated them everybody was so rascist and self righteous and corrupt as shit like the guards get away with anything and everything. they restrained me like almost everyday of the week for almost nothing and one time they broke my hand refused to take me to a real hospital after the infirmary i told my social worker and nothing happened. and now my right hands got a retarded bump on the back of it

I took my students to Onieda County Jail once, the juvenile wing is in the older part of the jail which doesn't have any of the amenities of the newer side. On the new side you can actually see sunlight some of the time and they let you out onto an indoor basketball court an hour a day.

[The Real Nick]

Yeah the blocks suck dick. My friend Dave is going to the pods if we go back, but since im under 19 i'd be going back to the blocks.
I've never been in the scared straight program but I know a couple of friends who were way back when.

I haven't been to prison but i've been incarcerated.

Graffit case.
They bullshitted.
There wasn't any surveillance footage seeing as we wore bandana's and hoods.
My ex-girlfriend snitched on us after seeing our tags when she filed a restraining order on me.
I didn't know until after already pleading guilty and giving a statement.
So basically I was tricked into giving myself up and face thousands in restitution.

[tiredoflies]

TheGrimReaper, on 22 December 2010 - 11:06 PM, said:

Well, I know I'm gonna get bad rep, and get insulted for this, but I voted yes.

In my opinion, the world would be much more violent without prisons.

I mean, come on, say someone's killed your brother, now he's after you. If they can convict him of murder in time, or find out he's after you, they'll put him in prison, and he won't kill you. Therefore, one life, or so, is saved from the violence that one man could have done. And he's punished for what he did. He deserves it.

If it wasn't for Prison, they guy would have killed you, and never been punished for either deaths.
And possibly move on to killing someone else. Maybe another family member? Maybe someone else? Who knows. But there's no way it could have been prevented cause the prison's were gone.
Unless someone would have been brave enough to go after the guy and kill him before he killed you. Or if you would have done it yourself.

If the trial determines that he did murder then he gets put in a mental hospital. It also depend on his motivation though, if he's crazy, has anger issues, self-defence or something where he goes.

[The Real Nick]

TheGrimReaper, on 22 December 2010 - 11:06 PM, said:

Well, I know I'm gonna get bad rep, and get insulted for this, but I voted yes.

In my opinion, the world would be much more violent without prisons.

I mean, come on, say someone's killed your brother, now he's after you. If they can convict him of murder in time, or find out he's after you, they'll put him in prison, and he won't kill you. Therefore, one life, or so, is saved from the violence that one man could have done. And he's punished for what he did. He deserves it.

If it wasn't for Prison, they guy would have killed you, and never been punished for either deaths.
And possibly move on to killing someone else. Maybe another family member? Maybe someone else? Who knows. But there's no way it could have been prevented cause the prison's were gone.
Unless someone would have been brave enough to go after the guy and kill him before he killed you. Or if you would have done it yourself.

First rule of not dying, dont piss somebody off to the extent in which they would kill you.
But if murder were legal I would probably kill people.

[All Dead]

The Real Nick, on 24 December 2010 - 12:02 AM, said:

I'M SO TOUGH

[The Real Nick]

All Dead, i'm gonna have to ask you to refrain from homosexual fantasies about me while trying to cover it up with making fun of me like some 3rd grade school boy.
If you don't comply with my demands I will be forced to get an e-restraining order. Also known as me propositioning your dad for sex, taking pictures of his approval, and sending them to your vice-priciple which will put you on his hotlist and a very special sit down with Chris Hanson.

[All Dead]

The Real Nick, on 24 December 2010 - 07:31 AM, said:

ITTY BITTY BABY ITTY BITTY BOAT

[The Real Nick]

I still have a couple gravytrains left.

Edited by The Real Nick, 24 December 2010 - 05:18 PM.

[All Dead]

That's cool, I guess.

I think you mean 'sandwiches', though.