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[SertraOD]

Generally anarchist societies arise in places where there is a already a strong, age-tested system of values. They're generally mistrusting of power hungry individuals. Anarchists societies generally only fall because an external military force overtakes them.

[iwouldprefernotto]

non-marxist communist

[Steve]

i just want to see management collapse

[Floyd]

my political interests have pretty much gone away. I think the DIY punk community as it exists in many places is great, politics are rarely involved it is just people helping each other and stuff. I think atlDIYsaid it best:

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atlDIY is a small, but growing group of people dedicated to making Atlanta more than just a place with a decent scene.  We're bent on building community and establishing bonds with each other and the communities around us.

Let's get real, all we have is each other.  If someone falls, pick 'em back up.  Build support systems.  Build community. Love yourself and each other.  Be nice.  Have a good time.

Most importantly, eat pizza.  And lots of it

Also, Nuclear Power is a good thing, and we need to colonize space, but only in non-military scientific way.

[Skaz]

I've become increasingly apathetic lately, though I still identify as an anarchist.

[Black Cat]

Floyd, on 28 May 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

my political interests have pretty much gone away. I think the DIY punk community as it exists in many places is great, politics are rarely involved it is just people helping each other and stuff. I think atlDIYsaid it best:


Also, Nuclear Power is a good thing, and we need to colonize space, but only in non-military scientific way.

That sounds nice. I think, that building communities and supporting each other apart from the traditional bounds such as family (blood related or through state/church sanctioned marriage) and apart from connections based on purely economical reasons, is very political, though. DIY is also the classic example of breaking free from being depending on a patronizing and/or suppressive kind of government, no? Isn't it classic counter culture? I think, being political doesn't have to mean, that you're being an activist in an organization, that actively tries to rebel against the system. Trying to be as free and happy as possible, for your benefit and that of your community, as long as it isn't exclusive, is living as a role model and possibly this is even more effective than writing pamphlets and trying to convince people.

[Steve]

Floyd, on 28 May 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

Also, Nuclear Power is a good thing, and we need to colonize space, but only in non-military scientific way.

NO FLOYD. NO.

[Floyd]

may I ask why not?

[EatShitAndCry]

I've become less politicized lately. I don't really know why.

[Skaz]

It's quite depressing how everyone eventually gets apathetic. Every generation says it won't happen to them.

[Floyd]

Steve, on 31 May 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

Floyd, on 28 May 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

Also, Nuclear Power is a good thing, and we need to colonize space, but only in non-military scientific way.

NO FLOYD. NO.

I still want to hear your opinions on nuclear power and space exploration, Steve!

[Punk Rock Geek]

Skaz, on 03 June 2012 - 08:17 AM, said:

It's quite depressing how everyone eventually gets apathetic. Every generation says it won't happen to them.

I think expectations are sometimes a bit too high.  It's easy to feel demotivated when it's revolution or bust.  But more so than that, as people grow older, get jobs, get married and have kids, there are just so many things that add to our stress levels and compete for our time.

This is why I plan to never get married, have kids, or get older.

[Skaz]

Punk Rock Geek, on 12 June 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

I think expectations are sometimes a bit too high.  It's easy to feel demotivated when it's revolution or bust.  But more so than that, as people grow older, get jobs, get married and have kids, there are just so many things that add to our stress levels and compete for our time.

This is why I plan to never get married, have kids, or get older.

This quote seems relevant

"A child-like man is not a man whose development has been arrested; on the contrary, he is a man who has given himself a chance of continuing to develop long after most adults have muffled themselves in the cocoon of middle-aged habit and convention." - Aldous Huxley.

I find it increasingly difficult to maintain a youthful outlook on life though.

[Skaz]

Floyd, on 03 June 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

I still want to hear your opinions on nuclear power and space exploration, Steve!

I would like to hear this too.

[Punk Rock Geek]

Skaz, on 12 June 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

This quote seems relevant

"A child-like man is not a man whose development has been arrested; on the contrary, he is a man who has given himself a chance of continuing to develop long after most adults have muffled themselves in the cocoon of middle-aged habit and convention." - Aldous Huxley.

I find it increasingly difficult to maintain a youthful outlook on life though.

I like that quote.  Where do you work, Skaz, if I may ask?

[Skaz]

I don't work anywhere at the moment, except the occasional bit of voluntary work. I'm a full-time student.

[Black Cat]

Skaz, on 12 June 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

This quote seems relevant

"A child-like man is not a man whose development has been arrested; on the contrary, he is a man who has given himself a chance of continuing to develop long after most adults have muffled themselves in the cocoon of middle-aged habit and convention." - Aldous Huxley.

I find it increasingly difficult to maintain a youthful outlook on life though.

I think, it is possible, though, although it can be really hard to resist the temptation of simply crawling into the fluffy cocoon mentioned above. Which is weird actually, because this is what is so draining in my opinion. Constantly suppressing to go for what you really want, because taking it slow, thinking of financial stability and not being a freak who lives outside of society's conventions is considered such a reasonable thing to do. But I think, it will ruin you to try to settle and be overly reasonable and adjusting, if you naturally have a strong wish to do things differently, stay aware and curious.

At the moment I'm not struggling to maintain a youthful look on life. I just can't settle. It's not possible and trying to is what made me feel so miserable. And already the insight alone, that this is what will be good for me and that it's not insane, only because society thinks differently, has lifted a lot of weight from my shoulders. That doesn't mean, I have to abandon all my property over night to live on the streets now. I don't have to change everything all at once. But I will have to eventually to feel content and I'm looking forward to it.

I'm sorry, I digressed a little probably.

It can also be harder to stay young at heart depending on your social circle. I am very lucky that almost all of my friends haven't really settled so far. There are 3 couples, who neither have kids nor are they planning to settle. They are still politically active and developing, although sometimes drained from work, admittedly. Those are all my age or up to 5 years younger. And also my single friends, who are my age or older, haven't given up. Then I have friends, who are way younger than me, and those haven't naturally settled either. So I am indeed lucky to not have this pressure to have to fit into social conventions within my circle of close people. I always pity people, who suddenly start complaining about everyone around them getting married and have kids. I guess, it didn't happen to me, since I kind of chose my friends. Well, and they chose me, but I'm just trying to say, if you end up with people being completely different from you all of a sudden, then maybe you didn't pick them well in the first place. That sounds arrogant now. Sorry, I'm a bit sleepy and don't know how to word it better.

Oh, and also I don't think, that having kids has to necessarily mean, you're settling for a boring life based on conventions. Marriage might be a bit of a different thing, although I've stopped being overly judgemental towards married people.

[AndBurn]

I'm not entirelly sure how I am politically, I know I'm primarely left but I don't really take like a label to it because I feel like sometimes it puts a bit of a limit on someone (not really intentionally really). Plus I haven't had to much of a direct human political impact that I agree with(kind of wish I could change that). But like music and more of a global awareness is helping me with that, and I guess I'm trying to educate myself a bit more.

[xJackyx]

I don't waste my time with it. When I'm old enough to vote, I'll be voting with whomever I agree with/hate the least (likely Democrat and independent), because since *someone* has to be elected I'd rather it was the lesser of two evils so I'll do my part to make that happen. But no form of government works, and anarchy doesn't work, because of the human element. When people are in power, they abuse power to better themselves and often put down others (see: gay marriage bans and Senators' multiple houses bought with taxpayer money). When no one is in power, there is no presiding body to stop people from, oh, I don't know, murdering, raping, looting, et cetera. As a species we are too irresponsible to lack government, but too greedy to have one that works. Funny how that is. What we really need is a truly impartial leader in a socialist society. That's the ideal.

Little longer than I wanted it to be, but when I get going it can be hard to stop.