Anyone knows what anti-flags opinion on so-called piracy is? The liner notes on "You are fired" were puzzling. It would be very odd if their stance "The government sucks...but copyright is awesome!"
I did buy the album
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Started by Lyth, Jun 13 2009 02:56 PM
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Posted 13 June 2009 - 03:03 PM
Decay153, on 13 June 2009 - 03:01 PM, said:
What exactly were they?
This is just an excerpt, would be time consuming to type all. "The institute for policy innovation estimates over 71k us jobs lost to music piracy every year" but then "Sony/bmg profits increased 15%, Sony/BMG recorded record high profits" ETC. so it's hard to tell what they're saying.
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Posted 13 June 2009 - 05:00 PM
Lyth, on 13 June 2009 - 03:03 PM, said:
This is just an excerpt, would be time consuming to type all. "The institute for policy innovation estimates over 71k us jobs lost to music piracy every year" but then "Sony/bmg profits increased 15%, Sony/BMG recorded record high profits" ETC. so it's hard to tell what they're saying.
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Posted 13 June 2009 - 06:19 PM
Lyth, on 13 June 2009 - 03:03 PM, said:
This is just an excerpt, would be time consuming to type all. "The institute for policy innovation estimates over 71k us jobs lost to music piracy every year" but then "Sony/bmg profits increased 15%, Sony/BMG recorded record high profits" ETC. so it's hard to tell what they're saying.
It reads to me like they're saying that the companies are laying people off using piracy as an excuse whilst the companies themselves make record profits. I feel it's a stab at the hypocrisy of those companies.
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Posted 13 June 2009 - 07:01 PM
Here's my personal take on it, so take that into consideration:
I've been working in music for almost 20 years and have worked from a part time sales clerk at Tower Records, to store manager at Sam Goody, all the way to the past 7 1/2 years with Anti-Flag. I never liked the major label mentality and consistently avoided it, especially after dealing with all the corporate nonsense hoisted upon us as a manager at Sam Goody. What we're seeing now is the result of an industry run by people who are completely out of touch and are finally reaping what they sowed for decades, a business model that hasn't worked since the advent of mp3 players, CD burners and torrents.
That being said, it's getting increasingly harder to fund new bands and take a chance on upcoming artists since the odds of recouping the money spent on recording and marketing new releases is getting more difficult by the day. While on one level I rejoice at industry behemoths falling by the wayside piracy is affecting EVERYONE and making it increasingly more difficult to invest money since the odds are stacked against labels when it comes to ever making that money back.
I'd like to think that there's a "renaissance" around the corner (the same way Nirvana turned the music business upside down 17-odd years ago) but it's pretty unlikely. More and more bands and labels will flounder since support is dwindling and coupled with a weak worldwide economy I think it's going to get alot worse before it gets better. Music should be much more than just files taking up space on an iPod or a hard drive.
I've been working in music for almost 20 years and have worked from a part time sales clerk at Tower Records, to store manager at Sam Goody, all the way to the past 7 1/2 years with Anti-Flag. I never liked the major label mentality and consistently avoided it, especially after dealing with all the corporate nonsense hoisted upon us as a manager at Sam Goody. What we're seeing now is the result of an industry run by people who are completely out of touch and are finally reaping what they sowed for decades, a business model that hasn't worked since the advent of mp3 players, CD burners and torrents.
That being said, it's getting increasingly harder to fund new bands and take a chance on upcoming artists since the odds of recouping the money spent on recording and marketing new releases is getting more difficult by the day. While on one level I rejoice at industry behemoths falling by the wayside piracy is affecting EVERYONE and making it increasingly more difficult to invest money since the odds are stacked against labels when it comes to ever making that money back.
I'd like to think that there's a "renaissance" around the corner (the same way Nirvana turned the music business upside down 17-odd years ago) but it's pretty unlikely. More and more bands and labels will flounder since support is dwindling and coupled with a weak worldwide economy I think it's going to get alot worse before it gets better. Music should be much more than just files taking up space on an iPod or a hard drive.
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Posted 13 June 2009 - 07:03 PM
El Jorge, on 13 June 2009 - 07:01 PM, said:
Here's my personal take on it, so take that into consideration:
I've been working in music for almost 20 years and have worked from a part time sales clerk at Tower Records, to store manager at Sam Goody, all the way to the past 7 1/2 years with Anti-Flag. I never liked the major label mentality and consistently avoided it, especially after dealing with all the corporate nonsense hoisted upon us as a manager at Sam Goody. What we're seeing now is the result of an industry run by people who are completely out of touch and are finally reaping what they sowed for decades, a business model that hasn't worked since the advent of mp3 players, CD burners and torrents.
That being said, it's getting increasingly harder to fund new bands and take a chance on upcoming artists since the odds of recouping the money spent on recording and marketing new releases is getting more difficult by the day. While on one level I rejoice at industry behemoths falling by the wayside piracy is affecting EVERYONE and making it increasingly more difficult to invest money since the odds are stacked against labels when it comes to ever making that money back.
I'd like to think that there's a "renaissance" around the corner (the same way Nirvana turned the music business upside down 17-odd years ago) but it's pretty unlikely. More and more bands and labels will flounder since support is dwindling and coupled with a weak worldwide economy I think it's going to get alot worse before it gets better. Music should be much more than just files taking up space on an iPod or a hard drive.
I've been working in music for almost 20 years and have worked from a part time sales clerk at Tower Records, to store manager at Sam Goody, all the way to the past 7 1/2 years with Anti-Flag. I never liked the major label mentality and consistently avoided it, especially after dealing with all the corporate nonsense hoisted upon us as a manager at Sam Goody. What we're seeing now is the result of an industry run by people who are completely out of touch and are finally reaping what they sowed for decades, a business model that hasn't worked since the advent of mp3 players, CD burners and torrents.
That being said, it's getting increasingly harder to fund new bands and take a chance on upcoming artists since the odds of recouping the money spent on recording and marketing new releases is getting more difficult by the day. While on one level I rejoice at industry behemoths falling by the wayside piracy is affecting EVERYONE and making it increasingly more difficult to invest money since the odds are stacked against labels when it comes to ever making that money back.
I'd like to think that there's a "renaissance" around the corner (the same way Nirvana turned the music business upside down 17-odd years ago) but it's pretty unlikely. More and more bands and labels will flounder since support is dwindling and coupled with a weak worldwide economy I think it's going to get alot worse before it gets better. Music should be much more than just files taking up space on an iPod or a hard drive.
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Posted 13 June 2009 - 07:04 PM
Steve, on 13 June 2009 - 07:03 PM, said:
Which is why it's important for people to buy the merch of bands they enjoy. And go to shows.
Great post, by the way, Jorge.
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Posted 13 June 2009 - 07:09 PM
Lyth, on 13 June 2009 - 07:05 PM, said:
I agree with both of you.
I think mainstream music will crash. Underground will rise from the ashes, and whoever makes autotune will be bankrupt. Wishful thinking probably.
I think mainstream music will crash. Underground will rise from the ashes, and whoever makes autotune will be bankrupt. Wishful thinking probably.
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