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[Little GoGo Dancer]

nvr2punk33, on 02 March 2010 - 11:28 PM, said:

you want to fight?

Not really. I was thinking about the cleaver.
You didn't really contribute anything.

[nvr2punk33]

Little GoGo Dancer, on 03 March 2010 - 04:57 PM, said:

Not really. I was thinking about the cleaver.
You didn't really contribute anything.

and this conversation is lamo

[Little GoGo Dancer]

nvr2punk33, on 03 March 2010 - 08:11 PM, said:

and this conversation is lamo

Yes.

[nvr2punk33]

haha

[KAYWHYELLEEE]

I stopped actually saying the pledge for a while now in school.
Then I stopped putting my hand up last year.
Now I just don't stand, instead I rush to do the homework I didn't do the night before or draw.

Go me? Hahaha.

Besides a few awkward stares from people standing all around, there has really been no difference. My teacher doesn't seem to care, and if she does she hides it well.

But, when you start to "Pledge Allegiance" to something purely out of habit... Might be a good idea to stop doing that

[Little GoGo Dancer]

KAYWHYELLEEE, on 16 March 2010 - 09:27 PM, said:

Then I stopped putting my hand up last year.

Putting your hand up?

[diana911forpeace]

texas sucks ass when it comes to the pledge. my friend stopped standing up for it one day, & he's been written up every day since. & every day the principals are like "just fucking stand up you little shit"(not the exact words, but same message) & he's like "nope" & he's got a written note from his parents backing him up, so the principals can't put him in detention for the write-up in fear of a lawsuit. it's fucking hilarious.

[KAYWHYELLEEE]

Little GoGo Dancer, on 17 March 2010 - 05:19 PM, said:

Putting your hand up?

Like, up on your chest?

Should have just said over my heart XD

[Little GoGo Dancer]

KAYWHYELLEEE, on 18 March 2010 - 06:53 PM, said:

Like, up on your chest?

Should have just said over my heart XD

I was thinking you meant like this or something.

[Skaz]

You don't want to know where I imagined the hand was going up.

[Little GoGo Dancer]

Skaz, on 19 March 2010 - 07:20 AM, said:

You don't want to know where I imagined the hand was going up.

I didn't, thus the example.

[nvr2punk33]

omg yesterday was tghe first time in 4 years i said the pledge i cracked up after.

[Man]

I am happy that we don't pledge allegiance to our flag or sing our national anthemn in school in Germany. That is the benefit when the most remarkable thing about your countries history is the most extreme kind of nationalism.
My history teacher once faked an official letter, which said that we'll sing our national anthemn in school every week from that day on. He seemed to be bloody serious about that. Plus he did a pretty good job faking the letter. So, we all thought it was real. I was confused but most of my mates did seem to have any problem with the whole idea. Than he pulled out some flags and told us to stand up. No one protested. That is scaring. It is kind of heavy if you know Germany. There are no flags at school, national anthemn is only sung at very official occasions and so on. I don't know if he really planned to let us sing, but when I asked to see the letter he told us that it was fake, asked why it would be strange if it wasn't and the lesson went on.

Well, the point is: I thought that we don't have all that patriotism stuff because people learned to question it, but it's only because no one wants to stand up first.

Edited by Man, 17 April 2012 - 03:24 PM.

[pax]

Man, on 17 April 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

I am happy that we don't pledge allegiance to our flag or sing our national anthemn in school in Germany. That is the benefit when the most remarkable thing about your countries history is the most extreme kind of nationalism.
My history teacher once faked an official letter, which said that we'll sing our national anthemn in school every week from that day on. He seemed to be bloody serious about that. Plus he did a pretty good job faking the letter. So, we all thought it was real. I was confused but most of my mates did seem to have any problem with the whole idea. Than he pulled out some flags and told us to stand up. No one protested. That is scaring. It is kind of heavy if you know Germany. There are no flags at school, national anthemn is only sung at very official occasions and so on. I don't know if he really planned to let us sing, but when I asked to see the letter he told us that it was fake, asked why it would be strange if it wasn't and the lesson went on.

Well, the point is: I thought that we don't have all that patriotism stuff because people learned to question it, but it's only because no one wants to stand up first.

your teacher reminds me a bit of the guy in "the wave" (if that's the english title, die welle   ). actually, i think it's really interesting to use something like that in a history class, because you might get the kids thinking if you start a discussion. did you talk about it afterwards in class? did your teacher ask the others why they didn't say anything?

[Man]

pax, on 18 April 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

your teacher reminds me a bit of the guy in "the wave" (if that's the english title, die welle   ). actually, i think it's really interesting to use something like that in a history class, because you might get the kids thinking if you start a discussion. did you talk about it afterwards in class? did your teacher ask the others why they didn't say anything?

It reminded me of that movie, too.
Yeah we talked about it. It was like "why would that be strange?" "because of our history". Not really intresting. Nobody thinks our history is a reason to question patriotism in general. They think it is only why nobody wants us to be patroits.
Well, officially the reason for the whole thing was to show us the difference between Germany and America. Officially we were supposed to understand what is normal somewhere else, even if it feels very strange. But I think he wanted to tell us something more. Well, nobody got the point, anyway. The situation is: we are so much used to jabbering about tolerance that everyone claims to be open-minded because this is what we all are like in our open minded modern society blahblahblah, because tolerance is so modern. It is always the same. Speaking about ethics: discrimination is evil, racism is evil, harassing homosexuals is evil, nationalism is evil. Speaking about other topics: she is a girl, she definitely can't drive, those turks only come here because they want to live on others, I don't see why not to be proud of my flag, oh look he is gay bwahahahaha. Nearly every student has this tolerance mode, which automatically starts working whenever it is one of those scool discusions. Any discussion would have been totally useless.
But I think the teacher is a cool guy. Best prank a teacher ever played on us. (Plus he showed some Howard Zinn interviews in his lessons^^)

Edited by Man, 18 April 2012 - 10:18 AM.

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Man, on 18 April 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:

It reminded me of that movie, too.
Yeah we talked about it. It was like "why would that be strange?" "because of our history". Not really intresting. Nobody thinks our history is a reason to question patriotism in general. They think it is only why nobody wants us to be patroits.
Well, officially the reason for the whole thing was to show us the difference between Germany and America. Officially we were supposed to understand what is normal somewhere else, even if it feels very strange. But I think he wanted to tell us something more. Well, nobody got the point, anyway. The situation is: we are so much used to jabbering about tolerance that everyone claims to be open-minded because this is what we all are like in our open minded modern society blahblahblah, because tolerance is so modern. It is always the same. Speaking about ethics: discrimination is evil, racism is evil, harassing homosexuals is evil, nationalism is evil. Speaking about other topics: she is a girl, she definitely can't drive, those turks only come here because they want to live on others, I don't see why not to be proud of my flag, oh look he is gay bwahahahaha. Nearly every student has this tolerance mode, which automatically starts working whenever it is one of those scool discusions. Any discussion would have been totally useless.
But I think the teacher is a cool guy. Best prank a teacher ever played on us. (Plus he showed some Howard Zinn interviews in his lessons^^)

well, i don't think that discussions are useless in general. when i think back of my time in school, there were a lot of idiots, i'm not denying that, but teachers can still get through - at least sometimes, even if the students don't show it. maybe i'm just a too optimistic future history teacher haha

[EatShitAndCry]

Teachers are the problem, children are the solution.