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[Dopamino]

Here they would just replace you with a day laborer.

[joalbrito]

Walk Away, on 05 May 2010 - 09:20 AM, said:

And now they have killed 3 people with their fires, at least the violent ones.

Blood on their hands. No credibility for these idiotic thugs.

Actually they have killed 3 brainwashed idiots who worked in a banked... They were capitalist whores

[Alex]

joalbrito, on 08 May 2010 - 11:40 AM, said:

Actually they have killed 3 brainwashed idiots who worked in a banked... They were capitalist whores

The people who were killed were working class period and as far as i know there political views haven't be made public. We should not be happy these people died at all. Also many of the bank workers are on the side of the anarchists.

[James]

I saw Riot Dog on TV today. CBC news covers the important things in life.

[Alex]

James, on 08 May 2010 - 10:40 PM, said:

I saw Riot Dog on TV today. CBC news covers the important things in life.

Were they talking about the dog or was it just in the video?

[James]

Alex, on 08 May 2010 - 10:52 PM, said:

Were they talking about the dog or was it just in the video?

It was a story on the dog.

[joalbrito]

Alex, on 08 May 2010 - 10:23 PM, said:

The people who were killed were working class period and as far as i know there political views haven't be made public. We should not be happy these people died at all. Also many of the bank workers are on the side of the anarchists.

Тhey work in an institution that enslaves people.. it's their choice... no one forced them to work in a bank...

[Dopamino]

Survival in a capitalist society more or less forces a person to get a job somewhere. These people just happened to find work at a bank.
Let's not start branding anyone as less-than-human. That's a dangerous path.

[Alex]

joalbrito, on 09 May 2010 - 09:58 AM, said:

Тhey work in an institution that enslaves people.. it's their choice... no one forced them to work in a bank...

Have you ever used a bank? Have you ever had a job? If so i guess you should be killed too.

[Sentient]

joalbrito, on 09 May 2010 - 09:58 AM, said:

Тhey work in an institution that enslaves people.. it's their choice... no one forced them to work in a bank...

Fuck you.


That's all I have to say to you.

[Gibby]

Dopamino, on 08 May 2010 - 10:23 AM, said:

Here they would just replace you with a day laborer.

Not as easy to replace skilled tradesmen though, presumably?

[joalbrito]

Sentient, on 09 May 2010 - 08:08 PM, said:

Fuck you.


That's all I have to say to you.

Аt least the greek comrades are doing something... something that is against capitalism... just sitting in front of the tv and the monitors won't change the system...
When Alex was killed in 2008 the anarchists warned everybody in the country that they should make their choice... these people had to decide if they were on the side of the banks or on the side of the people... and apperantly they made the wrong decision...

[Alex]

joalbrito, on 10 May 2010 - 09:14 AM, said:

Аt least the greek comrades are doing something... something that is against capitalism... just sitting in front of the tv and the monitors won't change the system...
When Alex was killed in 2008 the anarchists warned everybody in the country that they should make their choice... these people had to decide if they were on the side of the banks or on the side of the people... and apperantly they made the wrong decision...

Go fuck off and die. Seriously I hope someone comes to your house and kills you.

[joalbrito]

Alex, on 10 May 2010 - 09:44 AM, said:

Go fuck off and die. Seriously I hope someone comes to your house and kills you.

And why? Am I wrong?

[Fightin_da_Man]

joalbrito, on 10 May 2010 - 10:00 AM, said:

And why? Am I wrong?

Yes.  You're wrong.  These people weren't cops.  They weren't actively fighting against the anarchists.  They were just going to work, trying to get by.  They were working class people, doing a job they may not have even really liked because that's what they could do to get by.

And to recognize that, and to say that it's a shame that they died is not to say that the anarchists are bad people, that they should not be doing what they are doing, that they should sit around and watch tv or whatever straw man you came up with.  It's just being honest and recognizing that sometimes not everything goes right, that mistakes can happen, that innocent people can get hurt.  Demonizing these people because they got killed in order to sweep the moral ramifications under a rug is dangerous.  That's what cops do.  They use the fact that somebody got injured/killed by the cops as proof that they must have had it coming, because why would the police have done what they did otherwise?  We see through that.  We know it's bullshit.  So why would we adopt that kind of thinking ourselves?

Taking your approach is the way to doom what's happening in Greece.  Because your logic could be turned on anybody.  What business is there that doesn't do some evil?  You could use your kind of reasoning to justify the death of any worker.  And if the Greek anarchists responded as you did they would turn off a lot of supporters by their callousness.  I'm a worker.  And I know that you would be writing me off as dead swine with the same smugness if it had been my office that had been burned.  That makes me want to have nothing to do with you or your cause.  Even though I'm an anarchist.  If your way of doing things is to kill your brothers and sisters because they're not squatting and dumpstering or doing whatever it is you feel they need to do to maintain some kind of moral purity, then you can go fuck yourself.  Because that's a recipe for irrelevance.  I don't want to be a footnote to some stupid subculture.

[joalbrito]

Fightin_da_Man, on 10 May 2010 - 10:20 AM, said:

Yes.  You're wrong.  These people weren't cops.  They weren't actively fighting against the anarchists.  They were just going to work, trying to get by.  They were working class people, doing a job they may not have even really liked because that's what they could do to get by.

And to recognize that, and to say that it's a shame that they died is not to say that the anarchists are bad people, that they should not be doing what they are doing, that they should sit around and watch tv or whatever straw man you came up with.  It's just being honest and recognizing that sometimes not everything goes right, that mistakes can happen, that innocent people can get hurt.  Demonizing these people because they got killed in order to sweep the moral ramifications under a rug is dangerous.  That's what cops do.  They use the fact that somebody got injured/killed by the cops as proof that they must have had it coming, because why would the police have done what they did otherwise?  We see through that.  We know it's bullshit.  So why would we adopt that kind of thinking ourselves?

Taking your approach is the way to doom what's happening in Greece.  Because your logic could be turned on anybody.  What business is there that doesn't do some evil?  You could use your kind of reasoning to justify the death of any worker.  And if the Greek anarchists responded as you did they would turn off a lot of supporters by their callousness.  I'm a worker.  And I know that you would be writing me off as dead swine with the same smugness if it had been my office that had been burned.  That makes me want to have nothing to do with you or your cause.  Even though I'm an anarchist.  If your way of doing things is to kill your brothers and sisters because they're not squatting and dumpstering or doing whatever it is you feel they need to do to maintain some kind of moral purity, then you can go fuck yourself.  Because that's a recipe for irrelevance.  I don't want to be a footnote to some stupid subculture.

I appreciate the fact that you are actually willing to argue rather than just say things like "fuck off" like some morons on this forum.
I am not saying that the goal of the anarchists should be to kill all people who work in a bank. However, I am saying that to bomb a bank is a good thing no matter if there are some relatively innocent victims. Also.. these people were warned that they should decide for which side they should be. I am not saying that these people were evil.. I don't know them and I can't say such thing. However, they were warned and they worked there under their own risk.

[Sentient]

joalbrito, on 10 May 2010 - 11:39 AM, said:

I appreciate the fact that you are actually willing to argue rather than just say things like "fuck off" like some morons on this forum.
I am not saying that the goal of the anarchists should be to kill all people who work in a bank. However, I am saying that to bomb a bank is a good thing no matter if there are some relatively innocent victims. Also.. these people were warned that they should decide for which side they should be. I am not saying that these people were evil.. I don't know them and I can't say such thing. However, they were warned and they worked there under their own risk.

We aren't the morons. You are. You clearly lack an understanding of how capitalism works, because you're blaming workers for the things bosses and owners do. And you clearly don't understand anarchism or it's very pro-worker stance. We don't throw around words like "class struggle" and "class war" for no reason.

Did you even read about what happened with this incident? People have been saying that their bosses locked them in the building, and threatened to fire them if they went on strike. That's a pretty good reason to stay at work if you're a working class person. Did you not make that connection?

[joalbrito]

Sentient, on 10 May 2010 - 02:02 PM, said:

We aren't the morons. You are. You clearly lack an understanding of how capitalism works, because you're blaming workers for the things bosses and owners do. And you clearly don't understand anarchism or it's very pro-worker stance. We don't throw around words like "class struggle" and "class war" for no reason.

Did you even read about what happened with this incident? People have been saying that their bosses locked them in the building, and threatened to fire them if they went on strike. That's a pretty good reason to stay at work if you're a working class person. Did you not make that connection?

I am not blaming the workers for the current situation in Greece. However, I still do not believe that they have made the right decision because even if this accident had not happened, the workers have not made their voice heard. yes, they will keep their jobs today, they won't be fired. But what about tomorrow? In a crisis like this where the revolution is the only solution, they should not think about today, they may lose their jobs today, but tomorrow they may as well bring the whole capitalist system in the country down.

[Sentient]

joalbrito, on 10 May 2010 - 02:19 PM, said:

I am not blaming the workers for the current situation in Greece. However, I still do not believe that they have made the right decision because even if this accident had not happened, the workers have not made their voice heard. yes, they will keep their jobs today, they won't be fired. But what about tomorrow? In a crisis like this where the revolution is the only solution, they should not think about today, they may lose their jobs today, but tomorrow they may as well bring the whole capitalist system in the country down.

Did you miss the part about their boss locking them in the building?

[joalbrito]

Sentient, on 10 May 2010 - 02:27 PM, said:

Did you miss the part about their boss locking them in the building?

I am not sure if their boss physically forced them to stay in the building... and if it is so, it changes a lot of things. If it is not so.. i still thing that they have made the wrong choice ;p