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[NICKxSUTTON]

SertraOD, on 21 February 2010 - 10:09 PM, said:

America is a fascist country. It follows essentially all the tenets of Mussolini's fascism.

A dictator is not as essential to fascist ideology as you'd think.

Well fascism is essentially an authoritarian government.

But I don't think it's a fascist government, I think it has fascist symptoms but we've got enough freedom to fool us into thinking we're comfortable.

[NICKxSUTTON]

I've come to the realisation that Joe Stack was a T-bagger and not a communist in any way, shape, or form. If he were still alive he could go fuck himself.

[JohnWayneWasANazi]

NICKxSUTTON, on 21 February 2010 - 10:59 PM, said:

I've come to the realisation that Joe Stack was a T-bagger and not a communist in any way, shape, or form. If he were still alive he could go fuck himself.

Um, how did you decide this?

[The Vegan Anarchist]

All Dead, on 21 February 2010 - 04:09 PM, said:

Many people are that way because those are the norms of our society; There are roles that are expected to be fulfilled. You can't blame the norms of our society on the people who are born into those conditions. Blame the education system, blame the media, but for fuck's sake, don't blame the people who ARE the potential revolutionary force.
The insurrection in Greece inspired demonstrations and riots in solidarity all over Europe, and even here in the U.S. People are pissed off, but they're also living with fear and uncertainty. Acts of revolt can take away that fear, and inspire others to utilize their anger.
The message is simple: we're done waiting.

I'm sure someone else can convey this thought more clearly than I.

I guess I didn't think that one out too greatly, & I'm man enough to say that I'm sorry for if any of the comments about that particuraly was wrong. You're absolutely right.

[The Vegan Anarchist]

JohnWayneWasANazi, on 21 February 2010 - 11:03 PM, said:

Um, how did you decide this?

I second that. How in the hell was Joe Stack a tea-bagger? This guy was clearly a leftist who was pissed off at capitalism. The tea-baggers are right-wing pro-capitalists who doesn't give shit about workers one bit.

[NICKxSUTTON]

I'm too tired and need to go to school in the morning, so i'll leave you this sentiment from globalgrind.com

"You can check his manifesto at the Smoking Gun. It doesn't mention the Tea Party movement by name, but it does sound like the same ol' bullshit.

It looks like the liberal Jew-run media is running with the idea that this guy's thought process was emblematic of the teabaggers, regardless of whether or not he considered himself a member. As a big story in the New York Times the other day pointed out, it isn't clear who all the Tea Party movement is anyway, since there isn't one big Tea Party. Some of them are more in favor of racism, while others are more in favor of small government, and others still just check all of the above.

I checked Prison Planet just now, to see if this might all be some plot by the Illuminati to dismantle the Tea Party movement, but they seem to be more concerned with bitching about the liberal Jew-run media trying to portray this as an act of domestic terrorism. They must really think they can convince people this guy wasn't a teabagger, just because he wasn't a card carrying member of the Tea Party. Meanwhile, there isn't even a such thing as the Tea Party. And even if there was, they probably wouldn't have cards. That's some ol' ACLU shit.

If an A-rab pulled some shit like this and forgot to holler out allahu akbar before hand, this wouldn't even be an issue. Though from what I understand, it might disqualify him from the 72 virgins. (Bummer!)"

Also this guy was going on all about his tax's and shit (his main reason for hating the IRS if i'm not mistaken) which is what a Teabagger is unless I was ill informed. I personally think he sprinkled all that other shit in after to give it legitamacy. At the very best he started off as a tea-bagger, then found out about other shit wrong with society and decided to add it in.

[The Vegan Anarchist]

NICKxSUTTON, on 22 February 2010 - 12:24 AM, said:

I'm too tired and need to go to school in the morning, so i'll leave you this sentiment from globalgrind.com

"You can check his manifesto at the Smoking Gun. It doesn't mention the Tea Party movement by name, but it does sound like the same ol' bullshit.

It looks like the liberal Jew-run media is running with the idea that this guy's thought process was emblematic of the teabaggers, regardless of whether or not he considered himself a member. As a big story in the New York Times the other day pointed out, it isn't clear who all the Tea Party movement is anyway, since there isn't one big Tea Party. Some of them are more in favor of racism, while others are more in favor of small government, and others still just check all of the above.

I checked Prison Planet just now, to see if this might all be some plot by the Illuminati to dismantle the Tea Party movement, but they seem to be more concerned with bitching about the liberal Jew-run media trying to portray this as an act of domestic terrorism. They must really think they can convince people this guy wasn't a teabagger, just because he wasn't a card carrying member of the Tea Party. Meanwhile, there isn't even a such thing as the Tea Party. And even if there was, they probably wouldn't have cards. That's some ol' ACLU shit.

If an A-rab pulled some shit like this and forgot to holler out allahu akbar before hand, this wouldn't even be an issue. Though from what I understand, it might disqualify him from the 72 virgins. (Bummer!)"

Also this guy was going on all about his tax's and shit (his main reason for hating the IRS if i'm not mistaken) which is what a Teabagger is unless I was ill informed. I personally think he sprinkled all that other shit in after to give it legitamacy. At the very best he started off as a tea-bagger, then found out about other shit wrong with society and decided to add it in.

Wow! You used a rant made by a Jew-hating nazi supporter who apparently believes that there's a satanic cult called the illuminati that is taking over the world as your support argument that Joe Stack was a tea-bagger? Really? Last time I checked, everyone hates taxes & not just the tea-baggers. But if there's one thing that stands out with the tea-baggers, unlike every other activist organization, it would be that they support CAPITALISM! Joe Stack hated Capitalism, as shown in his Manifesto. Do you like taxes? If not, then can I call you a tea-bagger?

[NICKxSUTTON]

The Vegan Anarchist, on 22 February 2010 - 01:19 AM, said:

Wow! You used a rant made by a Jew-hating nazi supporter who apparently believes that there's a satanic cult called the illuminati that is taking over the world as your support argument that Joe Stack was a tea-bagger? Really? Last time I checked, everyone hates taxes & not just the tea-baggers. But if there's one thing that stands out with the tea-baggers, unlike every other activist organization, it would be that they support CAPITALISM! Joe Stack hated Capitalism, as shown in his Manifesto. Do you like taxes? If not, then can I call you a tea-bagger?

Didn't read his manifesto yet, shit's too long.

But I will get around to it and expose this man as a teabagger. If I can't i'll make shit up to make him look like one
Washington post said this “His alienation is similar to that we’re hearing from the extreme elements of the Tea Party movement.”

[SertraOD]

Come to think of it, I was at my most alienated when I was a libertarian.

Here's why American is fascist:

Nationalism

I don't really need to explain this one. America is a nationalist state--America is above all in the eyes of the typical American and that is the view perpetrated by corporate America and the government.

Foreign Policy

An imperialist foreign policy is the basis of an empire in the mind of a fascist, and we (economically and militarily) depend on imperialism for our standard of life.

Totalitarianism

Despite the facade of democracy, the shots are really called by a small oligarchy mostly centered around the financial industry. Collectively, they have the most money and the most power over Washington. This small group has successfully lobbied for policies that benefit their business, as well as lobbied for the expansion of state power.

Social Darwinism

The weak are left out to die. The strong not only survive, but they thrive. The fascist uses this ideology to justify inequality in society. It is a typical argument of the American capitalist, even if using this term is not accepted.

Social Interventionism

Yes, finally, one aspect we can blame on the democrats. Intervening in social issues is a typical big state liberal tactic, but in actuality this does little more than influence the public to be complicit in the government's actions.

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Abortion, eugenics and euthanasia

This one might not match right up (fascism is socially progressive, after all), but nevertheless more non-whites get abortions than whites, proportionally.

Intentional or not that is the result. Or, you could think of it as modernize--those that get abortions tend to be from the lower echelons of society. Therefore, regardless of race, the gene pool is improved.

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Culture, gender and sexuality

Our gender stereotypes of old are identical to fascism. John Wayne anybody? America promotes on culture, and rather than being an accepting, multicultural society, we take many cultures and try to herd them in to one culture.

The economy

The fascist economic philosophy is identical to that of the democrats. 'Nuff said.

"Fascists declared their opposition to finance capitalism, interest charging, and profiteering.[179] Nazis and other anti-Semitic fascists, considered finance capitalism a "parasitic" "Jewish conspiracy".[180] Fascist governments nationalized some key industries, managed their currencies and made some massive state investments.[citation needed] They introduced price controls, wage controls and other types of economic interventionist measures.[181]"

Sound like a mix of Republican and Democratic policies? I think so.

[NICKxSUTTON]

SertraOD, on 22 February 2010 - 10:47 AM, said:

Come to think of it, I was at my most alienated when I was a libertarian.

Here's why American is fascist:

Nationalism

I don't really need to explain this one. America is a nationalist state--America is above all in the eyes of the typical American and that is the view perpetrated by corporate America and the government.

Foreign Policy

An imperialist foreign policy is the basis of an empire in the mind of a fascist, and we (economically and militarily) depend on imperialism for our standard of life.

Totalitarianism

Despite the facade of democracy, the shots are really called by a small oligarchy mostly centered around the financial industry. Collectively, they have the most money and the most power over Washington. This small group has successfully lobbied for policies that benefit their business, as well as lobbied for the expansion of state power.

Social Darwinism

The weak are left out to die. The strong not only survive, but they thrive. The fascist uses this ideology to justify inequality in society. It is a typical argument of the American capitalist, even if using this term is not accepted.

Social Interventionism

Yes, finally, one aspect we can blame on the democrats. Intervening in social issues is a typical big state liberal tactic, but in actuality this does little more than influence the public to be complicit in the government's actions.



This one might not match right up (fascism is socially progressive, after all), but nevertheless more non-whites get abortions than whites, proportionally.

Intentional or not that is the result. Or, you could think of it as modernize--those that get abortions tend to be from the lower echelons of society. Therefore, regardless of race, the gene pool is improved.



Our gender stereotypes of old are identical to fascism. John Wayne anybody? America promotes on culture, and rather than being an accepting, multicultural society, we take many cultures and try to herd them in to one culture.

The economy

The fascist economic philosophy is identical to that of the democrats. 'Nuff said.

"Fascists declared their opposition to finance capitalism, interest charging, and profiteering.[179] Nazis and other anti-Semitic fascists, considered finance capitalism a "parasitic" "Jewish conspiracy".[180] Fascist governments nationalized some key industries, managed their currencies and made some massive state investments.[citation needed] They introduced price controls, wage controls and other types of economic interventionist measures.[181]"

Sound like a mix of Republican and Democratic policies? I think so.

Ok, America is a fascist country, but they do not fly under the fascist flag. People may mistake this though, lets say we have an America ship raiding and plundering other ships. Would you call them pirates, no (at least generally speaking, people wouldn't) I'm about to go to band practice therefore I will not make a point because i'm not gonna think.

You win serta.
I rest my case.

[JohnWayneWasANazi]

Joe Stack was not a tea bagger. That paragraph you posted is nothing but hate and bs.