115 replies to this topic

[RancidPunk]

Skaz, on 09 December 2009 - 05:39 PM, said:

It does, people who are cruel to animals will probably be cruel to humans

Yes.  How hard is it to make the connection that someone who has no feelings at all about throwing a dog off a bridge also might be cruel to humans?   If someone can show no emotion about throwing a living creature off a bridge, and they even videotape it to share it, how kind do you think this person will be to other humans?  Look at murderers and serial killers, they usually start out by killing or torturing animals.

James, on 09 December 2009 - 05:28 PM, said:

Now you're sounding like Nick Sutton. You automatically lose.

Nice.  I automatically lose.  Who made you boss of the internets?  I sure have a better understanding of why Nick Sutton does what he does.

I must've hit a nerve there.  "Daddy, daddy, the mean punk boy on the internet sassed me."

[Alex]

RancidPunk, on 09 December 2009 - 05:53 PM, said:

Yes.  How hard is it to make the connection that someone who has no feelings at all about throwing a dog off a bridge also might be cruel to humans?   If someone can show no emotion about throwing a living creature off a bridge, and they even videotape it to share it, how kind do you think this person will be to other humans?  Look at murderers and serial killers, they usually start out by killing or torturing animals.

yet again no one is saying what he did was right

[Fightin_da_Man]

RancidPunk, on 09 December 2009 - 05:53 PM, said:

Yes.  How hard is it to make the connection that someone who has no feelings at all about throwing a dog off a bridge also might be cruel to humans?   If someone can show no emotion about throwing a living creature off a bridge, and they even videotape it to share it, how kind do you think this person will be to other humans?  Look at murderers and serial killers, they usually start out by killing or torturing animals.

Right, so we should take these proto-killers and put them in prison with REAL killers.  That's the best way to keep them from harming people in the future!  

[Skaz]

James, on 09 December 2009 - 05:45 PM, said:

No. I said I want to destroy power because of how destructive it is. He said he wants to destroy the man who threw the dog off the bridge because he is also destructive. I used that example to show the difference in severity between power and an individual who broke a dog's legs.

He didn't say he wants to destroy him, just that he should be punished for his crime. The law at present is woefully inadequate at punishing people who are cruel to animals. I think a combination of punishment (a fine and maybe some community service) as well as councelling would be appropriate for that case.

[RancidPunk]

Fightin_da_Man, on 09 December 2009 - 05:57 PM, said:

Right, so we should take these proto-killers and put them in prison with REAL killers.  That's the best way to keep them from harming people in the future!  

No, we shouldn't do that.  But if you want to know why people commit crimes and attempt to rehabilitate them, this would be the perfect place to start.   Whenever someone abuses and tortures animals, that would be the time to get involved.   Maybe you could 'save them' from becoming the next Dahmer.

[James]

RancidPunk, on 09 December 2009 - 05:53 PM, said:

Nice.  I automatically lose.  Who made you boss of the internets?  I sure have a better understanding of why Nick Sutton does what he does.

I must've hit a nerve there.  "Daddy, daddy, the mean punk boy on the internet sassed me."

I'm just not interested in having the same debate with Sutton v2.0, and I assume nobody else is either. At least Sutton recognized he was a troll and has actually come to accept and revel in everyone's dislike of him. I have a certain respect for that. On the other hand, you seem to think you're some sort of internet revolutionary who is building the foundation for some ultimate TPU upheaval.
Spoiler alert: You're nothing but another A-F liberal.

[James]

Skaz, on 09 December 2009 - 05:58 PM, said:

He didn't say he wants to destroy him, just that he should be punished for his crime. The law at present is woefully inadequate at punishing people who are cruel to animals. I think a combination of punishment (a fine and maybe some community service) as well as councelling would be appropriate for that case.

He was making a connection, saying that if I want to destroy power I should want to destroy this guy. He was trying to point out a flaw in my argument, and failed in doing so.

[Fightin_da_Man]

RancidPunk, on 09 December 2009 - 06:01 PM, said:

No, we shouldn't do that.  But if you want to know why people commit crimes and attempt to rehabilitate them, this would be the perfect place to start.   Whenever someone abuses and tortures animals, that would be the time to get involved.   Maybe you could 'save them' from becoming the next Dahmer.

When did you switch sides in this debate?

[RancidPunk]

Fightin_da_Man, on 09 December 2009 - 06:06 PM, said:

When did you switch sides in this debate?

I was just pointing out how my feelings on animal abuse are related to your feelings on criminal rehabilitation.   Instead of making light of animal abuse, look at it and how it is related to the person in general.

[Fightin_da_Man]

RancidPunk, on 09 December 2009 - 06:16 PM, said:

I was just pointing out how my feelings on animal abuse are related to your feelings on criminal rehabilitation.   Instead of making light of animal abuse, look at it and how it is related to the person in general.

Sounds to me like you're trying to defend an animal abuser.

Or are you suggesting that we try to rehabilitate him after we throw him off a bridge?

[Steve]

RancidPunk, on 09 December 2009 - 06:16 PM, said:

I was just pointing out how my feelings on animal abuse are related to your feelings on criminal rehabilitation.   Instead of making light of animal abuse, look at it and how it is related to the person in general.

WHAT THE FUCK

This is what we have been saying the entire time you fucking dork. Jesus Christ you're such a misanthrope it's not even funny. You want to look at the causes of people being cruel to animals, but you just want to lock up every person that murders or rapes without looking at it?

No one has made light of animal abuse, and all of us have said that animal abuse is "wrong" (whatever that means).


And don't even try to bring the poor issue. If you actually lived in a poor area then maybe you'd be able to understand that those people would be the most affected by your fucking prisons.

[Punk Rock Geek]

Alex, on 09 December 2009 - 05:32 PM, said:

just one i found quickly im sure they are more stats to back this up

http://www.ojp.usdoj.../recidivism.htm

This is not what I asked for.  Your statement was that:

"this whole of idea of imprisoning people clearly doesn't work. it creates a breeding ground for criminals and does nothing to change their behavior"

I could give you all types of rehabilitation methods with less than positive results, but it would say nothing about the effectiveness of rehabilitation as a whole.  Yes, the prison system needs to be reformed significantly.  But a murderer who has deep mental/emotional issues should not be allowed to walk around unrestricted, under any circumstances. The reasons for this are obvious, and I don't think I even need to go into it.

[SertraOD]

FlaccidJunk's from the ghetto? LOL

[Alex]

Punk Rock Geek, on 09 December 2009 - 07:58 PM, said:

This is not what I asked for.  Your statement was that:

"this whole of idea of imprisoning people clearly doesn't work. it creates a breeding ground for criminals and does nothing to change their behavior"

I could give you all types of rehabilitation methods with less than positive results, but it would say nothing about the effectiveness of rehabilitation as a whole.  Yes, the prison system needs to be reformed significantly.  But a murderer who has deep mental/emotional issues should not be allowed to walk around unrestricted, under any circumstances. The reasons for this are obvious, and I don't think I even need to go into it.

i get wait your saying and i think the whole process needs to be radically changed and i really don't have an answer of how i would do it so i really don't think i can answer you.

[RancidPunk]

Awwww, what the fuck.   Let's have some more fun with it.

BUMP!

[Steve]

Kick more dogs off of bridges!