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[Punk Rock Geek]

Juon-408, on 20 October 2009 - 08:20 PM, said:

And for that you're a fool cause you really don't seem to know much about carbon emission. Fact #2 on that ad is completely false. They're chopping down the rainforests due to "urban expansion".  Not to make fields for cattle to graze.

According to the United Nations, "Ranching-induced deforestation is one of the main causes of loss of some unique plant and animal species in the tropical rainforests of Central and South America as well as carbon release in the atmosphere."[5] The Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) agrees, saying that "Expanding livestock production is one of the main drivers of the destruction of tropical rain forests in Latin America, which is causing serious environmental degradation in the region."[5] An earlier FAO study found that 90% of deforestation is caused by unsustainable agricultural practices. Logging and plantation forestry, though not as major contributors to deforestation, play a greater role in forest degradation.[6]

http://en.wikipedia....meat_production

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  But as for the other "facts" on it. Yes it is true that you save more water not eating beef. BUT WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MATTER? Water evaporates and comes back as rain anyway. It doesn't fucking run out.

[B]ecause all our water needs to be treated before and after use, every drop we waste consumes energy and results in the release of greenhouse gases. In fact, if a family of four with a typical shower all reduced their showering time from 6 to 5 minutes every day, they could save around 160 Kg of CO2 emissions and 14,00 litres of water in a year.

http://www.water-eff...ency-matter.php

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Yes it is true that animals fart and die and decompose a lot, releasing Carbon. BECAUSE WE/THEY ARE MADE OF CARBON AND IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE TEMPERATURE AT ALL. All life on this planet is made of carbon. Everything releases carbon. Yes, when it's hotter there is more carbon in the atmosphere. Why? It's NOT "Because carbon makes it hotter." It's because THE FUCKING SUN IS HOTTER and when THE SUN IS HOTTER, it HEATS THE OCEANS UP, which releases CARBON FROM DEAD FISH/SEA PLANTS. It's all about fucking photosynthesis. There's your goddamn science. Like I said before, it's NATURE, not us.

I think FDM covered this.

[KillBoY]

Juon-408, on 20 October 2009 - 12:52 PM, said:

Did you even read that article? You pretty much just proved my point about the Earth going through periods of hot and coldness.

Also: http://en.wikipedia..../Carbon_dioxide

I'll admit he's somewhat right. He's right about the formula and such but there is carbon in the atmosphere. But we do need carbon dioxide to an extent as it is used by plants during photosynthesis to make sugars, which may either be consumed in respiration or used as the raw material to produce other organic compounds needed for plant growth and development. It is produced during respiration by plants, and by all animals, fungi and microorganisms that depend either directly or indirectly on plants for food. It is thus a major component of the carbon cycle. Carbon dioxide is generated as a by-product of the combustion of fossil fuels or the burning of vegetable matter, among other chemical processes. Small amounts of carbon dioxide are emitted from volcanoes and other geothermal processes such as hot springs and geysers and by the dissolution of carbonates in crustal rocks.

So not only does it help sustain life and we need it for life as we do eat plants ourselves but we're not the only ones omitting it. Nature itself omits enough of it.

Oh come on. Do you really think that I don't know how photosynthesis works when I know chemical structures? Photosynthesis is 12 year old science and I'm not a 12 year old.

FDM and PRG are both making the point better than I am going to be able to right now (at what is currently 4am for me). I will say this. Whilst I am not 100% convinced that human beings are causing climate change (and it has always been called climate change "global warming" was the media name) I see no reason not to stop using fossil fuels and to move on to renewable, non polluting energy sources. The only people who will suffer from moving off fossil fuels are oil companies, the rest of the world will be better off for it; these oil companies who fund most of the people who say that CO₂ emissions by humans are not doing any damage. I'd love to provide citation but sadly I don't have the references at hand nor the energy to go looking for them.

At the end of the day the planet will be fine, it will renew itself and, if we are damaging it, it'll shake us off like the parasite we are. The planet is fine whatever we do; if we carry on this way the people are fucked.

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Additional... sorry Gibby. Acting is my career choice, basic science is my hobby  

[Gibby]

Juon-408, on 20 October 2009 - 08:20 PM, said:

And for that you're a fool cause you really don't seem to know much about carbon emission. Fact #2 on that ad is completely false. They're chopping down the rainforests due to "urban expansion". Not to make fields for cattle to graze.

You think that there's only one reason to fell trees? And you called FDM a fool?

KillBoY, on 20 October 2009 - 10:00 PM, said:

Additional... sorry Gibby. Acting is my career choice, basic science is my hobby  

It's okay, I've got to respect a fellow nerd

[KillBoY]

Gibby, on 21 October 2009 - 10:39 AM, said:

It's okay, I've got to respect a fellow nerd

[Twilight]

Awwe, you two, that is soooooo adorable.

That, right there, just made this thread THAT much better.

[ditaxdeath]

Twilight, on 21 October 2009 - 06:47 PM, said:

Awwe, you two, that is soooooo adorable.

That, right there, just made this thread THAT much better.

SCANDEL

[Gibby]

ditaxdeath, on 23 October 2009 - 06:52 AM, said:

SCANDEL

No, it is not.